Finally got to see my health span age and whilst I am reasonably happy with the age, 6 years younger I am not with the pace of aging 1.5x. I understand it is still learning and hopefully this will settle down but the AI coach is saying the main reason are my steps. I average around 3k per day compared to 10k I am supposed to do. It claims if I up the steps to 10k my age of pacing will slowdown. But I have scoliosis so walking/running isn’t for me, I am a cyclist where the scoliosis is less affected. I ride around 8000 miles or more a year so surely this is compensating for the lack of steps. But here’s the thing is, Whoop doesn’t know how many miles I ride, it doesn’t store them. It could easily get the data from Apple health. Surely 20+ miles a day is > than 10k steps. Whoop team please consider capturing this data and use it to help in health span (@Durkin)
I just checked Whoop and it is capturing cycling distance from Apple health but I do not see any information on the app or the website that it is being used or displayed. Is this statistic being used for health span and could it be displayed like steps or even give cycling a priority over steps.
On a side note, Garmin which does capture this, has my age 10 years younger. I like Garmim more at the moment
@AlanGooner I’ll connect with Jeremy on our team to see if he has additional thoughts on the cycling front. He’s out and about this weekend, but I’ll get back to you early next week with somet thoughts.
Congrats on the 6 years younger. That’s awesome. I think it would be fun for us over time to help give aggregate visibility into how you’re doing against your peers. Coach may be able to lean into this in a unique way with some cool charts and graphs in the future. I’ll think more on it.
I think I am going to always struggle with Whoop if the reliance of Steps over Cycling remains. I will always struggle getting enough steps to satisfy the norms but will exceed expectations on miles cycled. I can easily cover a 100 miles in a single ride but walk around the mall for 10 mins is a living hell.
I feel you, but tbh there’ll always be metrics that aren’t accounted for. I know the gamification aspect of health span is strong, but maybe you can ignore the steps a bit and focus on areas where you feel you could improve more.
If you’re generally not using health span much and it’s bothering you / making you anxious, you could also disable it in the settings.
I hear you, I promise I will not stress about it but I don’t feel the reliance on Steps should be the main focus.
I have seen all the things Whoop reads from Apple Health and could use. So why not for a more complete view?
I got Whoop MG for ECG/EKG and BP Monitoring but would generally I trust my Garmin Ecosystem at this time for Rest & Recovery since it knows all about my cycling activities in great detail. I just sense that Whoop could do so much better with a few changes like allowing users to decide where to get Activity HR from or allow it to connect to external devices during activities.
There is no doubt Whoops analysis is top notch but I would love to see more app integration and/or user sport preferences
I second all this. I too cycle a hell of a lot more than I walk. I think the whoop age and its need for steps is fine, but agree that cycling for five hours probably more than makes up for a lack of a couple of thousand steps.
It’s generally about time Whoop starts integrating the GPS data more. I mean as an Android user it’s still a bit tedious to get GPS because I’d have to record in app, but the Apple Health integration makes it super easy for ios users. They are using the data for VO2max so yeah, why not account for cycling miles in healthspan.
I find it a bit bizarre, they read so much from Apple Health but barely use it. Steps or cycling can be perceived the same just one is low impact which is better for my back. To ignore cycling as a metric is a mistake if you ask me. I am +1.5 years on my age because I do not do 10k steps but cycle around 180+ miles a week.
Maybe they will read this and start to think about Apple and other app integrations. Stopping worrying about where the data is collected from and continue to be excellent at data analytics.
I agree with you but I don’t think they read everything in the screenshot. You just give them the permission to. But yeah totally, I mean there was also a time where they were dead set that steps weren’t an important metric. I’m not too familiar with the science behind steps but if you’re right and cycling has a similar impact, why not just go with time in HR zones 1-5 or something like that.
I love my whoop, and health span is working great so far - but I agree that I would love to see the focus steer away from steps and more towards movement and being active in general, whether that is walking, cycling or whatever. Like Alan pointed out it’s not fun to have it negatively impacting your health span even while you’re still moving (potentially more!) in lower impact activities. It was pretty easy to not overthink the steps metric on its own when it was introduced but it’s more difficult now it’s heavily incorporated into healthspan. I think that the whoop philosophy is that steps is a measure of movement (as opposed to strain), which I agree is a really good thing and my whoop does motivate me to move more, but I think this would be more accurate if whoop accounted for more types of movement than just steps alone
I also found that if I go in to add a cycling activity afterwards, Whoop reduces my step count for the day, presumably cancelling out any steps it picked up from movement during cycling? I trust that whoop is counting my steps accurately, but it would be great to not feel punished for needing or enjoying a lower impact activity! I don’t necessarily want my step count to be less accurate by trying to make it incorporate non step movement, but for example a movement metric that both steps and cycling contributed to, that then contributed to health span, I think would be more fitting
(Also if you haven’t heard it before, Whoop did a podcast episode introducing steps which was quite interesting)
100%. I didn’t care about steps and never have. Cycling 8k miles a year is some serious movement. As much as I thought it wouldn’t concern me healthspans reliance on steps is really starting to bug me. My vo2 max is 47 and at 64 years old that is outstanding. I have 11 months of Whoop left, if they don’t start to incorporate different ways to get HR (external device or app data) and this over reliance on steps then I am out. I do not want to be nagged I am not doing 10k steps a day when I cycle 20+ miles a day. And more than 100 on a weekend. I have scoliosis walking is not easy for me. Cycling has less impact and works for me.
@Durkin You did say you were going to discuss with the team. Any feedback?
At this rate you will lose cyclists by the bucket load. We cycle, we don’t run or walk.
PS: I am starting to include resistance band training but I can’t do too much. So far it’s not showing up in healthspan but maybe will soon. BTW this should be an activity for us older generation
